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[–]SavageDownSouth 383 points384 points  (4 children)

Yah. It's a big part of it, and I was a lil surprised to find people weren't mentioning it on this sub.

Paristoid wasps famously parisitize and zombify other insects, changing their behavior to protect the larva that are eating them, much like Jane Prentiss.

There's even one that makes spider's spin cocoon for them, though I don't think they used that concept in the show.

[–]Latter_War_2801The Lonely 105 points106 points  (2 children)

Ohhh man that could’ve been a cool concept - the corruption being strong enough to “corrupt” the web in some ways and make it work for it

[–]theredfallows 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Like it was trying to do to the Institute, breeding for months and making that doorway to corrupt the Eye

[–]SavageDownSouth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah...I bet they thought about it, but figured mind controlling the mind controllers would make the story too convoluted.

I think they could have pulled it off, though.

I'm sure some fic writer will.

[–]Aggravating_Pay_9988 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well remember Martin found Prentiss while investigating the spider statement (guy who died and was found encased in spider web)

[–]AceGhostGirlThe Lonely 137 points138 points  (1 child)

I always assumed they were some sort of larvae due to how Martin described them, but had no clue that Wasp Larvae looked like that! I had always assumed they were somw sort of non-real insect made by the corruption. The fear of something there is no knowledge of, that there is no cure for, festering under your skin- And I assumed that was what the nest in her attic was too, a species of insects that didn't exist because the exterminator describes the nest like no wasps nest he had ever seen before.

But them being wasp Larvae makes so much sense!! Just super wasps I guess lol. I love learning new things about the show!!

[–]aydengryphon[S] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I mean tbf, I'm sure you're still right that they're not a specific real/extant wasp (or tbh probably any other insect) species, and are some non-real corruption version haha. Just clarifying that in their/Jane's general theming, they're not actually necessarily "worms;" the Archives crew just don't happen to have Bugs as a special interest like yours truly, so they wouldn't know what they're looking at when they see them and are just naming the closest thing.

[–]_bread_lover_The Eye 81 points82 points  (3 children)

Wait people actually imagined them like earthworms??? I think they were even described as thick, with a silver shine and a beady black head if i remember correctly. Off color wasp larvae was exactly what I pictured...

[–]VampyPixelThe Spiral 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah I don’t understand why people thought they were earthworms!

[–]Ripper1337 76 points77 points  (0 children)

THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. I never realized that. It fits with her first contact with the Corruption being a wasp nest.

[–]LonelyMoth46The Eye 38 points39 points  (0 children)

That makes so much sense. I was so confused how we went from wasps to worms but for some reason my mind never went to wasp larvae LMAO

[–]lerondeThe Hunt 26 points27 points  (2 children)

yeah i always got parasitoid wasp vibes from the hive, though honestly i thought they were some kind of spooky magic made-up corruption bug since they were described as small silver worms and no adults were ever described

[–]aydengryphon[S] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I mean tbf, I'm sure they are still not a real, specific wasp species and are still a spooky magic version haha

[–]lerondeThe Hunt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

tru u got me there

[–]allenfiarain 20 points21 points  (4 children)

There is a creepypasta story about a man who discovers that wasps have burrowed into his flesh and are building a hive in his body. Immensely upsetting story, and the ending is absolutely brutal. I think of him when I think of Jane Prentiss.

[–]aydengryphon[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Nice. Link, by any chance? I do love to suffer.

[–]allenfiarain 9 points10 points  (2 children)

[–]reniraeThe End 6 points7 points  (0 children)

just read it, it really is so similar haha

[–]aydengryphon[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hahahahaha. Sweet, thanks.

[–]AllISeeAreGems 32 points33 points  (4 children)

So… theoretically would they eventually have gestated into corruption wasps?

[–]TheActualDev 18 points19 points  (0 children)

We lucked out and skipped the giant mutated hornets timeline, but at what cost?

[–]Covetous_God 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Big yikes

Wait

Bug yikes

[–]AllISeeAreGems 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Bug yukes

Edit: now I’m imagining Jane Prentiss doing one of those ukulele apology videos

[–]IamnotgonagiveyouoneThe Spiral 4 points5 points  (0 children)

THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING

That would have been really really cool. though I do think that would have killed the main characters and such

[–]AbstractStew5000 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I never realized this. It does make perfect sense, especially with the."wasp nest in the attic" that she knows about, despite having never seen it.

[–]Vulpes-ferrilata 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I assumed they were maggots but wasp larva makes 200x more sense! Especially since parasitic wasps are a thing

[–]aydengryphon[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean, I'm sure they're a healthy mix of a lot of things, so I don't think you were horribly off-base either; I just find the rest of her narrative theming being largely wasp-based to be a compelling reason that's likely the most prominent influence haha

[–]SigmaBunny 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I once asked Jonny on twitter if the worms were based on botfly larvae, because that was what came to mind for me. He said they were based on a number of insect larvae that burrow, including those, but what exactly they were is up to interpretation.

So yeah, wasps, botflies, maggots… in my head they also are a bit like fruit fly maggots because I had my own Corruption event with those…

[–]aydengryphon[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Oof, the corruption is definitely My Fear, and I deeply empathize with your Fruit Fly Maggot Incident 😬.

I've kind of said elsewhere in the thread that I do still already think/agree (apparently also with the author...? 😂) that they're still ultimately "fantasy" versions of whatever fear-constructed insect larvae anyway, and of course pretty much any visual description in the show doesn't have a definitive interpretation of any kind; I just always think it's funny that people end up on earthworms for the visual when Jane's Wasp Nest thing is kinda her main infestation/corruption metaphor and touchpoint lol.

[–]SigmaBunny 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, earthworms are definitely not what come to mind for me, though I think a lot of people don’t have experience with what wasp larvae look like

[–]OctagonalOctopus 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I mean there are also a lot of disgusting parasitic worms, so I don't think it's far off to imagine them as such:

Horsehair worms eat the host alive and act as it's brain, forcing it to drown itself so they reproduce in the water.

The Guinea worm causes excruciating pain while it burrows out of your skin, and if you don't have medication, it's treated by tying it around a stick and slowly pulling it out.

Ascaris worms wanders from the intestines through the bloodstream into the lungs, and from there to the larynx. It's then eithe coughed out or swallowed again. This friend is living in about 700-900 million people.

Hookworms (which were pretty common in the US) burrow into the skin between the toes if you go barefoot. Infections are often so severe that the patients become anemic from blood loss.

Heartworm occurs in animals, but as the name says, it resides in the heart and can become so long that it causes cardiovascular blockage. It rarely infects humans, same as horsehair worms.

And while tapeworms are usually easy to treat by now, if you've ever seen a severe tapeworm infection or removal of tapeworms, yeah, these guys are pretty disgusting as well.

[–]aydengryphon[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Excellent cursed worm facts, thank you thank you, 11/10 I am puckering every orifice and clenching organs I didn't even know I could clench.

[–]Ginger_HuxThe Spiral 6 points7 points  (1 child)

While tapeworms are usually easy to treat, in case the specimen is big enough, taking anthelmintics can cause serious intoxication once dead tapeworm decomposes.

Sorry, I couldn't resist butting in. I'm a worm enthusiast sometimes

Edit: sometimes it's better to have an MRI scan and see if your worm is better suited for surgery than pharmacological treatment

[–]OctagonalOctopus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's disgusting and fascinating, thank you.

[–]reniraeThe End 6 points7 points  (0 children)

OH MY GOD THAT MADE SO MUCH SENSE. I was picturing them as pretty larvae-like since it fits their description, but I never really saw the connection between them and the wasp nest that started it all... omg...

[–]subara_chaos 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That actually makes sense given how wasp nests are made

[–]BanaanisadeThe Stranger 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Ohhhh thank you! I always struggled to imagine what they looked like and it bothered me that they didn't seem to be any real thing that exists.

This fixed me.

[–]aydengryphon[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Happy to help lol

[–]HomosexualFiend 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I KNEW IT. I always feel like them being called worms is an injustice to something far more disgusting and creepy

[–]aydengryphon[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well, tbf there are definitely also some pretty fucked up worms out there. I just find the wasp connection compelling given the rest of Jane's... thing lol.

[–]aydengryphon[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I fear I have written a post in haste and without bothering to add much nuance (that "are wasp larvae" vs. anything more along the lines of "may be based on" will honestly kill me, goodbye), expecting very few people to see it, and now will be duly suffering the consequences of not putting 45 disclaimers that HOWEVER YOU PERSONALLY ENVISION THE FAKE WORMS IS VALID and I think none of the fear entities create singular 1:1 manifestations of Normal Real-World Stuff; even then, any one interpretation is not the "correct" or only one, I just think wasps are really cool and think a lot of people aren't aware they have "worm"-y flesh-eating larvae that fit the bill for the rest of Jane Prentiss's whole wasp-themed vibe 😂

[–]beemielle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I started interacting with the fandom WAY before actually listening to the podcast itself, and by that point they’d been a bit solidified as the image of worms in my brain. But specifically with Jane Prentiss, I do associate her with wasps because I just love the bee/wasp/hive associations

[–]Relevant-Weekend3994 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you! This is py pet peeve, especially the fact Jon never calls them anything other than worms youre a god damn eye avatar man!

It bothered me so much i think i have an entire chapter of a fix it fic where he gets drunk and is like nonono its not worms

[–]VampyPixelThe Spiral 2 points3 points  (1 child)

OH MY GOD IM SO DUMB THANK YOU!!! I knew they weren’t like earth worms but I thought they were like maggots and I was always a little confused about how they tied into the wasp nest!! This makes so much sense!!!

[–]aydengryphon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely not dumb, it's just not a touch point most random people (including the Archives staff in the podcast lol) have; I don't think maggots are too far off, either, fwiw!

[–]TheLusbywolf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I was so confused by the wasp vs worm situation 🪱!

[–]Jalexsis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg thank you!! I always wondered about that because I thought it was an odd shift to go from wasps to worms, I never thought to look it up though so it makes total sense that they’d be wasp larvae !!

[–]allgreek2me2004The End 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, yeah, she got infested by jamming her arm shoulder-deep into a weird, paranormal paper-wasp nest. Clearly not the average wasp larvae, given the agility, corkscrew shape, and silver color, but definitely some sort of parasitoid wasp larvae!

[–]AbaddonArts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wonder, had she succeeded at taking down the Archives, would all her larvae have grown into full wasps now that she weakened a temple of a hated entity? Basically a reward/boost from the Corruption to take on other foes with better bugs?

[–]justintonationslutThe Slaughter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always imagined them as large silverfish

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are these poisonous in your opinion

[–]eightdirt -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Thank you, I've always complained about fanart having them as actual worms

[–]aydengryphon[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd never be mad about someone "misportraying" it - if you've never seen wasp larvae (which it's pretty normal not to have), you wouldn't really have any reason to guess that possible connection; same reason for the 'mistake' the Archives gang make in calling them "worms" in the first place, if you don't already have that familiarity I don't know how you'd end up at that conclusion. And tbc, I think they're probably still sort of a fear creation version of whatever bug larvae anyway. But I am just always itching to tell people about the wasp connection, because that sweet juicy symbolism 👌😩 and thematic cohesion, baybeeeee